Wednesday, September 8, 2004



There still are numerous flood watches, warnings, tornado advisories and more blanketing the northeast as Frances expels her dying breath over northern PA and New York.

But our attention turns to mighty Ivan...I am very concerned about this hurricane and the projected path that may take it directly toward major population centers along the northern Gulf, namely NEW ORLEANS.

There are eerie similiarites between the summer of 1969 and 2004…consider the history behind Charley and Camille. First, view paths of 2004 Atlantic tropical systems

And now, compare to the path of Hurricane Camille in 1969

In 1969, only 1 minor tropical storm (Eve) entered the gulf after bisecting Florida from the east. Then came Category 5 Camille in mid-August when Gulf waters were not even at their peak temperatures. Steering currents were weak, allowing Camille to make a direct charge northward to the LA/MS border. It came onshore with sustained winds of 190 mph and gusts above 200 mph, with a 24 foot storm surge.

Read the story about Camille’s wrath on Gulfport, MS

If you want more, this is a terrifying but fascinating story about Camille’s fury:

If you are interested in reading about the lessons learned from Camille, this is an interesting and in-depth review of the storm that is still a topic of conversation in the shore-side bars and restaurants of the northern Gulf coast.

Now, back to 2004:
Only Bonnie and Charley have entered the Gulf, and Charley was a fast mover, whereas Bonnie hardly made a peep. Although Frances did enter the Gulf, but surface water temperatures have rebounded quickly because it was a weak tropical storm at the time. So all this analysis and comparison leads to one conclusion right now...Ivan has the potential to the be strongest storm to strike the United States since Hurricane Camille, eclipsing even Andrew.


- Ivan is already a massive storm in size and speed as evidenced by this satellite loop.
Winds are 145 mph and pressure is almost as low as Frances at her strongest... 938 mb.
Bookmark this map as it updates about twice per day indicating the latest NHC projected path.

- There are no tropical systems behind Ivan at the moment.. which is good news.

- Computer models project a path that would take Ivan either EAST of Florida, just along the Florida WEST coast, or directly into the Gulf of Mexico. Forecasters believe the western Cuba-southeastern Gulf track is most likely.

- The middle of the country has no big push of Canadian air, or a big cold front slicing down, or some other major force to affect the direction of this storm. Thus it can meander in the Gulf for an indeterminant period of time.

- Waters in the northwest Caribbean are quite warm, 80-85 F but that pales in comparison to the 85-90 F waters in the northern Gulf. The Gulf has not been adversely disturbed by any major storm or front this summer.

- The storm is expected to slow down over the next 72 hours, which will only give it more time to strengthen.

- The first landfall will be Jamaica or western Cuba.

- It takes at least 72 hours to evacuate a place like New Orleans. Which means if the Big Easy ends up in this storm’s projected path, they would need to start packing up and leaving by Saturday.

- The large high in the Atlantic is showing signs of retreating east, but is still quite prevalent and may be the saving grace for Florida, but the devil’s scepter for the Mississippi Bay area.


How much disruption would occur to the storm if it slowed as it crossed Cuba. Charley was able to quickly regain organization after a brief encounter with Cuba.

Where exactly the storm will go or end up, so keep advised to the latest information.


Ivan has every chance of being a major hurricane at landfall. I know they said this with Frances, but the Bahamas disrupted the storm. There are no islands in the Gulf to interfere with Ivan if it gets there.

Ivan has every chance of reaching Category 5 status in the Gulf due to weak steering currents, extremely warm water, and limited intrusions from the environment.

Some computer models do show Ivan slowing down oncein the Gulf. That is a city manager’s worst nightmare, as a slow moving high-intensity hurricane would, well… you know.

If Ivan reaches the Gulf, there are striking similarities between this storm and Camille, which gives New Orleans particular reason to be nervous.


(1) Ivan crosses western Cuba as a Category 3 around 115 mph on Sunday.
(2) By Monday, it rebuilds to Category 4.
(3) Hurricane watches and warnings go up for the west coast of Florida from Miami all the
way to St. Mark.
(4) On Tuesday, Ivan turns to the northwest, and slows down. Watches are extended west
past New Orleans. The storm increases to Category 4.
(5) On Wednesday, the storm begins curving north-northwest and takes aim for the area
where Camille came onshore. New Orleans is evacuated.
(6) Wednesday night, the storm comes onshore just to the east of New Orleans as a strong
Category 4 with winds near 150 mph.

I’M NOT A DISASTER-MONGER, I’M JUST CALLING IT LIKE I SEE IT. If you have family in New Orleans or anywhere within a 100 mile radius of the city, tell them it is not too early to start making alternate plans to evacuate. A direct hit on this city would be the largest human and environmental disaster in the history of the United States.

So let’s hope that Ivan gets hung up over the mountains this weekend and never regains his intensity.

I had a larger post from yesterday I could not get online, so I'll try that one again later.
Next update later tonight or Thursday morning.


Sorry for the post problems from yesterday


Hope you're not getting sick of my alliterated (sp?) headlines. Just trying to keep the weather interesting and fun. Flood Watches are blanketing the northeast from Georgia to New York. Poor, poor Richmond has already issued a Flood Statement, and the twisting, churning mess that is Frances continues to slog her way up the spine of the Appalachians. Do not be surprised to hear rainfall amounts in excess of 10 inches out of this storm. The 95 corridor will be spared that kind of rain, but it will be a heavy, wind-swept tropical-like rainfall for the next two-three days from DC to NYC.

Rainfall amounts will be 1-2 inches east of I-95 from DC on north, and 2-3 inches west of 95 to the mountains. Once you are in the mountains, rain will probably exceed 4 inches in many places, with isolated locations topping 6 inches or more.


This monster storm ripped through Grenada and Barbados, and then never looked back as it just intensified to Category 4 with winds of 135 mph. Forecasters expect it to strengthen beyond their projections, as it has been a long time since we've had a storm of this magnitude in the deep tropics. Computer models continue to weeble-wobble around Haiti, Cuba and Florida. I did take a look at the historical track of storms that followed a similar path, and it is an eerie sight.

Many took a swipe at Florida, some charged all the way up the East Coast, after having just spent time grazing the beach in Barbados. Seems weird a storm would start so far south, and then end up coming so far north. The conventional wisdom from Accuweather and the NWS is that this storm is entering extremely warm ocean water, which will further strengthen the storm to Category 5 status.

If it enters the Gulf of Mexico undisturbed by land, and no other forces influence the storm (such as a trough diving south or dry air filtering in), Ivan has the potential to do the unthinkable... Approach major population centers along the Gulf Coast as a Category 5.

This has not happened since Andrew in 1992, and one of the strongest storms in U.S. history... Camille in 1969.


The whole of the atmosphere has many complex inter-relationships. Forecasters call it "teleconnections" and it is easy to see why the weather in one part of the world strongly influences what goes on elsewhere. One of the phrases used by Accuweather forecasters in winter is "A ridge in Spain, warm up and rain." That means if there is a high pressure system in the vicinity of Spain, the airflow across the Atlantic is such that is brings the subtropical jet far enough north to turn a snowstorm into a rainstorm along the Mid-Atlantic.

Take that same teleconnection and apply it to the recent typhoon activity in the Pacific. The western Pacific, namely Japan and China, have had a super-busy typhoon season. Several of these storms have reached super-typhoon status (Cat 5 on our scale). Most of them have followed a very similar path of "recurvature" through Japan and then rapidly north-northeast. All of these events occurred roughly 10 days before major hurricane strikes on the East Coast. And what did those storms all do? They eventually took a right turn and charged north-northeast.

Take a look at the tracks of Atlantic hurricanes thus far this season. Notice the persistent curving to the right just above 30 degrees north? Now look at Super-Typhoon Chabra… and notice the similarities in the track. Just after 30 N it turned sharply to the right. What I am saying is that Ivan may pull the same trick once it crosses Cuba if it continues on that path.

It now seems clear to forecasters and computer modeling programs alike this storm is not going to get anywhere near eastern Cuba or Haiti or Puerto Rico. All eyes are turning to the tip of western Cuba at the first spot for probable landfall. And the hurricane center has been very accurate in their day 5 estimates of the storm location. I looked back through the maps I had printed out of Frances’ path. Even as early as the 30th, they were projecting a landfall on the southeast Florida coast by 2AM Saturday. It arrives at 1AM in pretty much where it was originally forecasted to go.


If we extrapolate this recurvature 2 days beyond the day 5 projection of western Cuba…then the likely area of high risk for landfall would be from New Orleans eastward to about the area where Frances made her second arrival (St. Marks). The time frame would be as follows...

Recurving to the north and northeast...landfall on Tuesday or Wednesday between New Orleans and Appalachiacola, FL.

Curving north and then northwest...landfall on Wednesday or Thursday between LA/TX border and Galveston.

City planners, forecasters and the government have feared a major hurricane strike on New Orleans as explained in a USA Today article. It would be catastrophic beyond anything you have ever seen in your life before or in the future. Lake Ponchartrain and the Mississippi River would both overflow their levees, flooding Big Easy's downtown with 20-30 feet of water. There is only one route out of town... the causeway over the lake.

It would take 72 hours to evacuate the city, but warnings are only posted 24 hours in advance. The Army Corps of Engineers estimates the loss of life at such a staggering number that I won't print it here. If you want the gory details, read the NPR article linked above.

But enough doom and gloom for one day.


Yes. Accuweather has indicated in their long range analysis that the pattern of Africa pumping out storms one after another is about to die down after the 15th. In addition, the excessive number of active systems in the Atlantic is beginning to stabilize the water temperatures. So when we are done with Ivan, it should calm down for a brief period. But remember, we still have half of September and all of October...which is when the Gulf starts to get busy.

Brief update Wednesday morning, then full update Wednesday night or Thursday morning on the status of our recurvature ideas.

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