Welcome to Philmageddon 2011
or
"It's the size of Texas, Mr. President."
- A scientist reporting on a fictional asteroid in the film Armageddon.

4:30 PM EST TUESDAY 2/1/2011 February has arrived in force, and it is not exactly a "fantastic one" for millions of us. Instead of a nice gentle snowfall, Mother Nature's wrath has prompted our readers to vote on this event being no less than "Philmageddon* 2011." This event is quite simply becoming the most widespread storm to impact travel, schools and public safety in 40 years. Half the U.S. population will be directly affected for remainder of the week. The extent of just the "ice" portion of the storm will encompass an area larger than the state of Texas.

Winter Storm Warnings posted by individual NWS offices, convey the incredible expanse of this storm  across a 2,000+ mile transect from Albuquerque, New Mexico to Augusta, Maine. Links below:

BLIZZARD WARNINGS9 STATES WINTER STORM WARNINGS: 21 STATES
TORNADO WATCH: MOST OF LOUISIANA | CENTRAL/SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI  

Scroll to the next section for our multi-state team roundup.
A new lead story is in progress, check back for updates.

A devastating ice storm and blizzard conditions will impact  a giant swath of the Midwest and Ohio Valley, while an outbreak of severe weather is expected in the Southeast, according to the NOAA Storm Prediction Center. Blizzard Warnings are rampant from Michigan through Metro Chicago traversing the Mississippi & Missouri River Valleys all the way to central Oklahoma, with snowfall of 8 to 20 inches expected. Elsewhere, Winter Storm Warnings cover the rest of Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, and now extending from Nebraska and Iowa, clear into the far reaches of the Northeast.

For airline commuters The real impact of this storm is understood by travel warriors: When Chicago's O'Hare goes down, so will your travel plans...big time. Monitor flight delays from this interactive portal by the FAA. Hundreds of flights heading to Chicago from distant airports are already being canceled across the country. Closely monitor your flight status, as these reports are changing by the minute as conditions deteroriate.

For suburban homeowners & city residents: We urge you to take time if possible to clear your storm drains of any snow, and create a "channel" for runoff to follow. Please do your part to keep children and pets indoors during this storm. Let's not have headlines about people taking the dog for a walk or getting the mail in an ice storm... and not coming back.

*This is a reference to the famed prognosticator, Punxsutawney Phil and his mid-winter predictions from a quaint and classic northwest Pennsylvania town, anticipated tomorrow among the sheets of ice.


"A heavy load on a long journey"
- from Confucius, the 6th Century BCE Chinese sage & writer

9:30 PM EST Monday 1/31/2011 - The system that will be responsible for giving the central and eastern U.S. this heavy load (of precipitation) as we trek down this long journey is moving into the Sierra Nevadas and southern Rockies as shown in this infra-red satellite animation from the Penn State e-Wall. Models are trending toward a widespread, high-impact event featuring severe and winter weather to cover a significant portion of the country east of the Missippippi. This impending "Groundhog Week" weather event will bring a lot of the Gulf Of Mexico with it, as the southern jet stream fueling a strong on-shore flow of moisture over the southern states before the storm even arrives.

THE REAL ISSUE? In advance of the student team statement to be issued later today on this storm, our Forecaster Advisors want to underline these core concerns:

1. For  those along and north of US-40 from Maryland to the Mid-West, please note that computer models, though very advanced these days, still have trouble with the influence of surface layer temperatures when there is extensive snow cover.

2. Building on the snowcover concern, and with a low sun angle still present, this will enhance the "local" supply of cold air at the surface prior to arrival of precip on Monday in the Mid-West, and by Tuesday morning in the Mid-Atlantic.

3. The real issue is clear: Instead of snow or sleet changing to rain Monday night or Tuesday morning, our Advisory Team believes the real outcome will be a large portion of the Mid-Atlantic faces a surprise and long duration ice event to encompass most of Tuesday into Wednesday. School district officials, administrators, emergency and transportation managers alike are strongly advised to closely monitor NWS statements as this system approaches.

"Philmageddon 2011"
(as voted by the readers... unless you  are tired of the 'mageddon' analogy)

The rough guide to current ideas being discussed in the team as displayed on computer model projections. (Example: the NOAA Global Forecast System [GFS] model imagery for 8AM Tuesday morning). An regional summary of our storm impact projections in advance of the student's team statement later today.

1. SOUTHEAST & TENNESSEE VALLEY Starting Monday and continuing to Tuesday night, torrentially heavy rain, strong thunderstorms and an extensive outbreak of tornadoes - followed by flash flooding as rivers and waterways rapidly rise Monday night into Tuesday. A link to our Southeast Team in Facebook for a look ahead to the severe weather possibilities.

2. CENTRAL STATES & OHIO VALLEY A long duration, high-impact and potentially paralyzing ice/sleet and rain scenario is expected in the Monday to Wednesday time frame.  Heavy snow is expected along and north of Interstate 70. Blizzard Watches are already posted for Northern Illinois, with Winter Storm Watches already encompassing much of the Central U.S.

3. MID-ATLANTIC & NORTHEAST In the Mid-Atlantic south of I-80, a front end period of snow or sleet may transition to freezing rain by mid-morning Tuesday, North of I-80, we expect all precipitation to be snow and may be extremely hearain - producing high rainfall amounts and potential flooding. Northern states from Pennsylvania to New Jersey and into the entire Northeast are facing "the first insult" of February, as there is increasing probability of high snowfall accumulations over a very large area from eastern Pennsylvania north to Maine.

THEN... IT GETS WORSE Following passage of this major event, the CPC Day 6-10 temperature outlook shows an increasing probability that nearly 90% of the lower 48 status will experience temperatures notably below normal. The simple interpretation is this: Whatever falls this week, is going to stay frozen on the ground for several weeks into February. (Don't even look at the Day 8-14 temp outlook, it's not any better)

The Forecast team has been working diligently this evening on developing reports for each of those regions, and will update as soon as possible. Our analyses include a wide range of data products from NOAA's National Centers for Environmental Prediction (NCEP), the Penn State e-Wall, the Storm Prediction Center (SPC), the Climate Prediction Center (CPC) among others.

Continue monitoring the Winter Stormcast Zone on this site and in facebook for our latest projections on this next winter weather nightmare. (Advisors Lear and Foot, Forecasters Winterman and Jason M.

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terpguy said...

<span><span>Rather than post the 0405 Disco of the Mid-Atlantic Wx forecast, and have (no offense) most of you go "What?", I'll sum it up.    
   
A high pressure in Canada will produce, as you know, clockwise winds that will keep our current cold air trapped against the Appalachians.  CAD- http://www.nws.noaa.gov/glossary/index.php?letter=c  
   
The leading edge of GWE (Groundhog Week Event) may produce enough moisture tonight in the SW Mid-Atl to fall through the cold surface air, and freeze.  Stay tuned.    
   
The next batch of moisture, Monday, may cause icing West of the I-95 corridor, but if the moisture is more than the models show, the precip will be in the form of light snow, which is not as dangerous for travel.    
   
The NWS freely admits that the computer models do not handle CAD very well, and tend to erode them too quickly.    
   
Monday into Tuesday will see precip still falling through the cold air, and the NWS says (translated from Wx-speak)    
   
...FORECASTING PRECIPITATION TYPE WILL BE TRICKY...AND WILL DEPEND ON HOW QUICKLY THE LOW LEVELS ABOVE THE TRAPPED COLD AIR WARM UP...    
   
Their thinking is the the Southern part of our area will change over to a cold rain, while the Northern Counties will continue with a light freezing rain.  The timing, amount, and duration will dictate the snow/freezing rain/rain production.    
   
They believe that the event will become all rain by Wednesday, as the oncoming Warm Front arrives and erodes the CAD, but they cannot predict exactly when this switchover will occur, which, of course, will greatly affect the amount of icing received.</span>  
 
Stay tuned for the latest FF update (the NWS didn't say that...I did!)</span>

hocoKtchr said...

Thanks for the update!  Geesh, too many variables affecting this GWE to even guesstimate it seems!  Good luck to those of you on the FF team trying to keep up with it...interpreting data, looking at maps, trends etc!  O:-)   Keeping my Faith in the Flakes!  WAY more fun (and safer) than sleet, ice, freezing rain etc! >:o  

I will happily read your updates and all the comments here to stay informed...and yes TG...I am getting all of my schoolwork done....better safe than sorry, always! :)

hocoKtchr said...

Rufus/BP-glad you guys had fun last night!  Next time I hope to be able to come and meet "all y'all!" :-D  

Andy, Southern York County PA said...

Well put Terpguy! This will be a midwest BLIZZARD  Green Bay and Chicago are likely to get 2 feet plus of dry wind driven snow.  We get rain.  Again the reason for this is we are on the east side of the storm.  You can NEVER be on the east side of a large storm and get snow becasue of the wind direction.  On the other hand the west side of a storm pulls down cold air from the north and the mod west gets its blizzard, while we get soaked because are air is coming form the gulf of mexico, not Canada.  I just hope this storm can somehow keep trending west so we get less rain.  If you love aawsome BLIZZARDS Chicago, Green Bay and Northenr Iniana is the place to be for this one!

Andy, Southern York County PA said...

This is where the heavy snow will be, anyone is will be mix to rain.  Track is everything in winter weather, for the midwest this is the best possible track for a beast of a storm, for us it is THE WORST! :(

Jen O said...

So we would need a HUGE shift southeast for us to get a good snowstorm...this stinks...I don't want the pretty snowpack to wash away..

Andy, Southern York County PA said...

To cover a question asked in the most recent comment section, I will repost here:

That was very true for the last storm, on this track it is impossible for us to have a snowstorm.  The last storm had an ideal track, but the problem was lack of cold air as forecast by the models.  The models were off of a little and we got mix to heavy snow.  In the current storm I think the models are also running high on temps as well because some data is showing Baltimore REACHING 60 DEGREES!!!!  This is a powerful storm but we are on the wrong side and the track is acting like a HEAT PUMP for our area.  I think Baltimore area gets to the 40's maybe 50 for a few hours but then temps will crash and stay cold.

Andy, Southern York County PA said...

YES!  If you look at that GOOFY map Accuweather keeps posting about HEAVY SNOW for our region, htat map is predicated on the storm tracking up the coast and putting us on the west side of the storm.  This storm is SO FAR WEST it is IMPOSSIBLE to get a snow storm from this in our area.  To add insult to injury it is so powerful it is going to PUMP GULF COAST AIR this far north.  It is a heat pump for our region.   Good news is it will move out fast and our temps will crash. 

Jen O said...

Crash and freeze. I just need the final details on if we are going to get freezing rain....i dont want to be in baltimore Wed thenhave to drive home if it's going to be freezing rain...I'll stay home again.

Rufus79 said...

well maybe they should :)

BioPat said...

Good Morning all, I've been waiting for the posts to begin.  This week's storm doesn't look like much of a threat except for that turnover period.  With snowcover still in place, in spite of today's melting, I agree with Andy we're just not going to see the temps being projected.  So, the question is how much icing will the I-95 corridor experience, and where is the "north" line for this storm.  I wouldn't anticipate any serious problems this week; maybe a late opening on Tuesday if the temps stay low enough for the ice to be a problem during the morning rush.  We'll just have to continue to watch how far west the storm is going to allow that warm gulf air to envelope our area.

Andy, Southern York County PA said...

If the energy initially comes at us in small waves, those waves will not be strong enough to errod the low level cold so you have the warming in the atmosphere but cold surface which you get freezing rain.  As the powerful low gets closer it will start to errod the low level cold and we go to rain, or best case sceanario dry slot after a little snow, freezing rain. 

BioPat said...

Crashing temps meaning back to the low 30's?

Andy, Southern York County PA said...

VERY WELL STATED!

Caryn Radlove said...

Thanks, Andy, for your reply.  So do you think it's really only going to be rain for us? My usual travel dilemma is this: I commute to Wilmington, DE from Glen Burnie every Monday and Wednesday. I was one of the ones on 95S this past Wed and made it home by the skin of my teeth. I'm scared to death of getting caught in an icy portion of this upcoming mess. Is the timing on this clear yet? I leave at noon and drive home from DE around 5-6. And this will happen for me every week until spring! :-E

Andy, Southern York County PA said...

http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=21202

The National Weather Service with this forecast is doing a really good jub.  As of this morning it appears to be spot on with all of the current data.  How much CAD is the question that determines the extent of freezing drizzle and freezing rain.  This is still an ICE STORM THREAT which will turn to rain at some point, the devil is at what exact point does that low level cold get shoved out.

Andy, Southern York County PA said...

FINALLY accu wx has updated their map  :-D   That snow threat has been off the table for a couple of days now.  This graphic represents what we have been trying to tell folks since Friday, is that this is not a MAJOR snowstrom for US.  It is ice to rain.  How bad the ice will be is the only question. It's a battle of the low and high that Terpguy cited.  The low will win, but the timing is the issue.

Andy, Southern York County PA said...

NWS BALT WASH

<pre>On Monday...models still show saturated layer is too shallow/below -5c
isotherm/ to produce ice crystals. Therefore...have included patchy
freezing drizzle for the morning across the Potomac Highlands and most
of central Virginia. Isentropic lift is so weak that have not included
measurable precipitation/ice accretion for Monday morning. Nonetheless...an
advisory may be needed to cover even a trace of ice accretion
during this time. Isentropic lift will increase thruout the day
while seeder-feeder mechanism from higher clouds may provide a
source of ice crystals...allowing precipitation to transition from drizzle
to light snow Monday afternoon. If these colder clouds do not come in as
currently anticipated...then we will still have to deal with freezing
drizzle or light freezing rain across area /mainly west of I-95/.


Monday night and Tuesday- southwesterly flow aloft will continue to warm the llvls
above the cad inversion. Best forcing/isentropic lift will be
located closer to the low level warm front. The west-east oriented warm
front is expected to be situated north of the area. Still enough
isentropic lift and overrunning moisture will be present for light
wintry precipitation to continue as surface temperatures remain below freezing Monday
night and Tuesday morning. Forecasting ptype will be tricky...and will
depend on how quickly the llvls above the inversion warm. 00z
NAM/European model (ecmwf) and 03z sref warm the llvls much faster than the 00z
GFS...quickly changing the ptpye from SW to NE from a snow/sleet mix
to freezing rain Monday night into Tuesday morning. Cad may weaken enough on
Tuesday for surface temperatures to rise above freezing during the afternoon across
central Virginia and southern Maryland...allowing precipitation to change to a cold rain.
Temperatures will likely remain below freezing thruout the day across the
northern County Warning Area...leading to a period of light freezing rain.


Models typically capture the strength and duration of cad events
poorly...leading to even higher uncertainty of ptypes and
snow/ice accumulations. The light precipitation intensity during Monday-Tuesday
will lessen the concern of Winter Weather Advisory level snow and sleet
accumulations. However...if llvls warm quicker...then any freezing
rain accretion warrants travel concerns.


</pre>

Rufus79 said...

Who does the forecast for weatherbug or is it it's own entity? They are saying low 40's for wednesday.

Andy, Southern York County PA said...

<pre>Long term /Tuesday night through Saturday/...
model guidance remains consistent on lopres tracking west of the
Appalachians Tuesday night into Wednesday. This track would erode the cad as
hipres moves off the coast and allow warmer air to move north up
the eastern Seaboard. Based on retreating cold air...have trended
warmer than previous forecasts for Tuesday night and Wednesday...but not as warm
as model guidance indicates. Since models often erode cad too
quickly...have accounted for this uncertainty with a mention of
rain or freezing rain in the grids for the northern half of the County Warning Area Tuesday night. If cold
air holds on longer...then a more significant icing event could
happen as higher precipitation amounts are expected Tuesday night. Confidence
is increasing that the freezing line will push north of the Mason-
Dixon line Wednesday morning. Temperatures may even rise into the 50s during the
afternoon across lower southern Maryland.


Once the low tracks north of the area Wednesday aftn/eve...northwesterly flow will
push a cold front through the region. A short period of upslope snow is
likely along the western slopes of the Allegheny Front beginning Wednesday
afternoon...before ending by Thursday morning.


Hipres builds in for Thursday and Friday. 00z European model (ecmwf)/GFS operational and
its ensemble members hinting at a possible coastal low developing
off the Carolinas late Friday into Sat. Will have to watch it but
still much uncertainty with this potential system</pre>

Andy, Southern York County PA said...

GREAT DISCO by the NWS!  It is SPOT on and detailed!  This is one of the better ones I have read. :)

Rufus79 said...

saw this earlier this am on Henry's page. Lots of birds out...doves, woodpeckers...Ravens with Cheeseheads gearing up for next weekend :)

I am concerned with the ice about our 80+ year old Lace Leafed Japenese Maple....wondering if we should attempt to put a tarp over it or will that just make it worse?

Andy, Southern York County PA said...

It is such a marginal situation.  1 or 2 degrees at ground level can make or break us in terms of iceing.  This system will spit at us a little before that major low gets in our region.  The spitting is the problem.  Light rain mist and drizzle hitting frozen ground and powerlines/trees is the concern for a longer duration.  When that larger storm gets here it will erode the low level cold.  We know the forecast, the question is the DETAILS of when we get aboe 32 at ground level.  A little and I mean very little ice ican be a MAJOR problem.  I would continue to follow the National Weather Service updates very carefully.  I won't be able to post much this week as my scheduel is brutal after tonight.  The forecast team adn the National Weather sevice seem to have a good handle on things and I would check forecasts frequently if you have any travel plans.  

Andy, Southern York County PA said...

I'm not a tree expert but I do anticipate that if the freezing drizzle and light freezing rain continue for a period of time trees will come down like crazy.  The reason is look outside.  Thye are already caked with a pasty mud like snow and currently bending under the weight of this frozen paste.  Continue to add ice to already weight stressed trees and that's trouble. 

Rufus79 said...

I know I went around and knocked snow off the sensitive shrubs...looked like someone came in and sprayed the snow on them. It's just such a lovely tree I hate to see it get damaged thx....now to read the novel from the NWS lol!

Someguy on Henry's page posted Yellowstone rose a foot yesterday =-O Said he saw it on CNN then backed off and said well not sure it happened ina day maybe over time....

Here's to Snow Ice Fire and Brimstone

Andy, Southern York County PA said...

Guys, Surface temps continue to trend a little colder.  I am growing concerned about a serious icing threat.  This has to be watched VERY CAREFULLY tonight and in the am.  STAYED TUNED IF YOU HAVE TRAVEL PLANS PLEASE. 

somestars said...

Hey Ruffy ... I read an article about Yellowstone the other day -- it has risen 11 inches in a certain area, but that was over a period of years.  NOT good news in any case, but better than rising a foot in a day!

hocoKtchr said...

Wow...I was only worried about Tues and Wed morning....not tomorrow!  A late opening would wreck a field trip...but I would rather have that than drive in any ice at all!  NO FAITH IN ICE....yuck!   >:o

I will be watching very carefully to see what develops today!  Thanks for the "heads up!"

NeedaSnowday said...

Tomorrow??  No no... no...  I love snow..... ICE not so much... <exhale></exhale>

Rufus79 said...

Andy you mean we need to watch models in the am not precip in the am? Yes I am hearing it is trending colder I'm very concerned about the ice...power outages and the fact that the public is not always in the loop and will be notified too late.

Wed was a nightmare for too many ppl and it should not have been that way

Kyle G said...

The latest NOGAPS looks colder too. 

Chicago is going to get absolutely hammered!! 

This could be a very crazy week for travel.

Rufus79 said...

yes it sounds like they are and it will def mess with air traffic

Andy, Southern York County PA said...

No, sorry,  I mean watch the weather forecasts VERY CAREFULLY tonight and Monday.  This is starting to look like a threat of a SEVERE ICE STORM.  I would not be surprised to see a Winter Storm Watch Monday.  In fact if it continues to trend that way they will HAVE to issure one. 

Caryn Radlove said...

Argh! This is what I am afraid of... though it looks more likely to be a Tuesday/early Wed problem than a late Wednesday one?

Rufus79 said...

Blizzard Watch someone said..maybe they meant warning.

ravensbbr said...

Andy, at the risk of sounding like an FB-esque-poster, any chance this one swings further east, leaving us on the snow side or no chance at all? Feel free to tell me I'm wrong, but some of the model runs I saw look like maybe some easterly track drift?

ravensbbr said...

As well as the GFS looking like still ending as rain? Novice ?'s, I know, thanks for any feedback...

Kyle G said...

Just imagine Midway and O-Hare airports shut down.  They're major hubs and lay-over centers for half the country.  Add Kansas City, Detroit, St. Louis and Indianapolis (ice) and you have a terrible mess.

somestars said...

Manwich ... when you say "travel" do you mean going somewhere ELSE, or just out on the roads?

 I must say that I was out driving yesterday, and the roads around here in my little hamlet aren't as clear as I thought.  Many two lane roads are really just one lane with snow piled on both sides.  One plow width's worth of driving space.  Anyone else have this?  If they freeze like that ... woe betide ...

Rufus79 said...

and yes...some roads are good and some no so?

somestars said...

'zackly!   I live on the corner of a primary and secondary road, but when I turned off of there, uh oh -- I pulled over twice to allow cars to pass.  If the plowed snow ices over, I won't be ABLE to pull off to the side without getting stuck.
Huh .. I just looked at that phrase "pulled over."  Odd way to describe that action.  I steered over to the side.

terpguy said...

FROM FRIDAY:

<span><span>OK, A NEW CONTEST:  We're gonna get a Wintry Wx event occuring on GROUNDHOG DAY!  The pun-possibilties are endless!!    
   
Please go to: http://terpguystuff.blogspot.com/    
   
and play NAME THAT STORM.    
   
Yeah, yeah...it'll start before GH Day..but let's have some fun!</span> 
</span>

somestars said...

Are Mr. Foot and Dakota back from their travels?  Hope THEY don't get caught in an icy mess!

Lori said...

Good point Kyle....it's going to be an air travel nightmare with that trickle down effect all over the country. Glad I'm not flying anywhere!

terpguy said...

They landed last night about 10 PM safely at BWI.

somestars said...

THANK YOU Terpy!  GOOD news! 8-)

Jen O said...

There is NO chance this will trend east! The only question is how much rain/mix/ice we will get.

Rufus79 said...

I have close to 45 on my KWT I just went out and got some of the stubborn ice of the walk.

I'll guess tomorrow will tell more about the ice...eww I'd rather maybe have rain or nuttin...maybe it will "steer" way far west.

BioPat said...

 Just got back from running some errands and making sure all the vehicles are gassed up for the week.  Although the car thermometer was reading 40, it actually felt a lot cooler due to the dense cloud cover.  Although there is melting of present snow cover, it is not significant enough to allow the temps in the next 36 hours to warm enough to prevent the icing we are anticipating.  J
 As we drove out through Ellicott City and Columbia, I was amazed at how much snow is still on the trees. We are going to be in for real problems with significant icing in the next few days.  The continued power outages will be a serious issue because BGE may not be able to cover all the repairs before the cold sest in to our area.  If you have generators make sure they are ready for action, and remember to keep the gassed powered ones away from the house to avoiud build ups of CO.

Rufus79 said...

The sun was out a bit but as soon as the cloud cover thicken back up it dropped a few degrees....breeze feels cooler.

Think it's going to be a mess just hope nandinas and verbenum don't take to hard a hit :( And my hemlock.

yep we just got things gased up as well

Jen O said...

I think I can literally say that ...I have a bad feeling people are not going to heed the warning. Do I dare call out of work Wed?? I tell them Ice is coming they might look at me like I'm crazy..but I'm not...

Actually I leave early on Wed anyways...1:30...wonder if it will be enough time...are we looking at rain/ice coming late Wed into Thursday or Tue into Wed?

Tina said...

I don't know if BGE still has outages, but Pepco still does.  Four days on.  Not good. 

We shop at Giant (most of the time), so we get the points for reduced gas prices at Shell stations.  Got my CR-V filled up, ready for action, this afternoon.  At $2.59/gallon... saved $0.60/gallon!!  8-)

Tina said...

Heh, you're assuming people even GET the warning.

Kyle G said...

I'm giving myself a headache trying to wrap my mind around this rain/snow issue. 

Quite the battle setting up over the mid-atlantic. 

The latest NAM has a good amount of snow hitting northern mid-atlantic (NYC) before any changeover.  However, it looks like the storm (per the GFS) is not slowing down.  If taken, this means that the cold air won't have as much time to lock in and create a solid CAD event, which could mean more plain rain. 

Some guidance depicts a very strong HIGH to our north that would funnel in cold air, but the models differ on the exact timing of this.  If the cold air comes in too late, we get plain rain.  If it comes in before the storm, we get more ice.

There are already Hazardous Weather Outlooks posted for western MD counties.  Advisories may go up late tonight or tomorrow.
I'm giving myself a headache trying to wrap my mind around this rain/snow issue. 

From Baltimore NWS:

<pre>MILD AFTERNOON TEMPS SHOULD PERSIST INTO THIS EVENING AS CLOUD COVER
INCREASES. CONDITIONS EXPECTED TO BE DRY INTO LATE TONIGHT ACROSS
THE AREA. PATCHY FREEZING DRIZZLE TONIGHT...INCREASING ELY FLOW FOR
THE BLUE RIDGE INVOF KCHO AND WEST ACROSS THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY
SHOULD ALLOW SATURATION TO BE MET BY LATE TONIGHT. WITH LOW LEVEL
TEMPS JUST BELOW FREEZING AT THAT TIME...ICE CRYSTAL FORMATION IS
NOT EXPECTED UNTIL MONDAY MORNING. SHOULD A TRACE OF ICE ACCRETION
BE EXPECTED...A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY WOULD BE NEEDED TO BE ISSUED
BY LATER SHIFTS.
MIN TEMPS TONIGHT MID TO UPPER TEENS UP ALONG THE
MASON-DIXON WHERE LATE NIGHT CLEARING IS EXPECTED.</pre>

Mary in Hydes said...

What is the timing for whatever is going to happen?  I want to be fully prepared.  The snow on the trees around my house is pretty bad.  Lots of pine in the neigherhood are still pretty laden also.

Kyle G said...

Some freezing fog and/or drizzle could come in late tonight into tomorrow morning and then a chance of light snow tomorrow afternoon.  Tuesday morning might have light snow/sleet in the morning and then the big question of whether it switches to freezing rain for any long duration or to just plain rain.

hocoKtchr said...

<span>From 411 page....</span>
<span>3. The real issue is clear: Instead of snow or sleet changing to rain Monday night or Tuesday morning, our Advisory Team believes the real outcome will be <span>a large portion of the Mid-Atlantic faces a surprise and long duration ice event to encompass most of Tuesday into Wednesday.</span> <span>School district officials, administrators, emergency and transportation managers alike are strongly advised to closely monitor NWS statements as this system approaches</span>. </span>

From me...
Geesh....ick.  Ugly, ugly...very ugly!  >:o

Tina said...

It's been a long time since I've felt scared about weather.  But, the words "long duration ice event" does the trick.  ::shaking head::

Rufus79 said...

<span>About a half hour ago from Henry M "</span><span>There will be thundersnow and thunderIce from Ok to Indiana. I am also getting increasingly concerned for a major ice storm from I-80 in PA south to DC to Philly. My concern is because the storm should exit off the Delmarva or at least the secondary. That will hold the cold air in longer for areas from DC to Atlantic City on North."</span>

Not sure what to make of this other than we really need to pay attention to this system...not that we didn't already know that :)

Rufus79 said...

I am concerned as well. Humans have a tendency to believe they are larger than life and that weather events should be brushed aside.  Ff they(businesses, gov't etc) are going to send folks home early it should be staggered and not all at once. And I should add NOT AT THE LAST MINUTE. Hurricane evacs are not issued at the last minute and I understand winter events are nothing like a hurricane to predict but there was enough forewarning on Wednesday...Tuesday evening that the whole mess on the roadways should not have occured.

The order to close and send ppl home should also not be offered as a friendly suggestion it should be a firm order!

Don't you have to pay rescue expenses if you are told not to go hiking in the boonies because of bad weather and you do it anyhow?

Chet Ross said...

No ice please. That could be disasterous.

ho co sub said...

I'm so confused! HM and Foot's are worried about ice, but Justin Berk says the opposite.

Caryn Radlove said...

Yes! Thank you... I was just coming on to ask about that. My head hurts just trying to figure it all out! Andy? Someone? Please shed some light on this!

Rufus79 said...

Caryn I saw you on HM's page..yeah i have a headache too....I hate ice too but if it's coming we need to be prepared...ugh!

I guess it's why i always try to wait till 24hours out...things change so drastically....

Rufus79 said...

that I like means more like I AGREE

Kyle G said...

Justin Berk isn't really saying the opposite, rather they are just differing on the extent of freezing rain.  JB believes there will be some ice, but was arguing earlier this afternoon that the cold air would not be in place in time for the freezing rain to last long.  However, the latest NAM shows a more entrenched cold air set up, thus causing a serious icing issue.  JB may change his thinking after the model runs tonight.

Rufus79 said...

And HM and FF were more correct in my opinion last time...though we did see a short changeover to rain on wed afternoon.

BioPat said...

It appears the concern for a serious ice threat is becoming more significant.  I am not sure where JB is with his call at the moment.  But sources I trust are beginning to issue points of serious concern to outright warnings.  I do believe now is the time to begin preparations for a worst case scenario, and then hope we won't go there.  Snow - ok,  ice - problematic.

Rufus79 said...

true...and he will change if he needs to he's pragmatic.......unlike some other stubborn Mets...I still swear last year I thought Tommy T and Tony Pann were gonna duke it out...TP refused to put snow in his forecast...i think it was one of the blizzards!

I just remeber standing there think what the heck am I watching it was just weird

Rufus79 said...

got a feeling they are busy looking things over

Caryn Radlove said...

<span>Rufus, Yeah, I haunt most of those pages. Did I actually post on HM's page? I usually don't. They're a bit doo-lally there! <img></img>   I did post on the newer page... Peter Yetter I think his name is? Lower Mid Atlantic Winter Weather. He tries to keep things calm there unlike with HM. I've turned into a total weather geek - and I'm an art history teacher! LOL!</span>

Tina said...

Exactly!!  When the gov't (or whoever) has early dismisal, it shouldn't be an option.  It should mean employees ARE leaving early.

My husband just issued the order:  I'm not goin' anywhere Tues/Wed.  :*

Anne Province said...

This just in from the Annapolis TPH

Husband leaves for out of town business trip Monday... conditions will rapidly get icy and dicey,  kids will miss school yet again, branches and trees will drop (maybe even on the house), power will be lost, no cable or t.v. for kids enjoyment and Mom's sanity, board games will come out along with plenty of warm blankets,  the Coleman camping stove will be put to good use, we will break out hot cocoa and marshmallows and Bailey's (for me, Not the kids!).... weather conditions will remarkably improve the day my husband returns home and he will exclaim... it doesn't look so bad... what were you complaining about?!!!!!

JULIE said...

waiting on this eve...well and Andy....

Justin Berk, Meteorologist<span>Who remembers me talking about timing? It looks like the storm tries to spread east before the arctic air can establish itself. Result=faster turnover and more rain. In transit- but will post my views by this eve.</span>

hocoKtchr said...

I think Andy said earlier this morning that he was going to be pretty busy for the rest of this week...hopefully he can pop in and 'splain this to us!  :)  ;)

NeedaSnowday said...

<span>More firewood...√  
Gas up cars....√  
Plenty of food and sterno's....√  
Blankets, candles, batteries...√</span>

Rufus79 said...

I shall now check my Baily's like and Kaluha stash :)

Tina said...

Week or weekend??  (And how desperate does THAT sound?? )

somestars said...

WHO has a beautiful SNOWFLAKE avatar!

hocoKtchr said...

adult beverages- check
caffeinated beverages-check
good book to read-check

terpguy said...

Make sure you use that Coleman OUTside!

BioPat said...

I'm with you on those lists!!

Tina said...

<span><span>Extra dog food... √</span></span>
Prescriptions filled... <span><span>√</span></span>
Extra propane tank for grill...<span><span>√</span></span>
Extra birdfood...<span><span>√</span></span>

somestars said...

OHHHHHHHHHH --  ART HISTORY!  LOVE it!  My Janson is a treasured object.

JULIE said...

gas up car ....check
pack maternity bag....uh oh
install car seat....where is it?

Rufus79 said...

Battries...need to get flashlight ones....make sure cell phones are charged. Good idea about Sterno I have that need to make up some things to heat up.

I still have a vivid memory during a hurricane power outage of the kids all around the table roastn mini marshmallows  on a tooth pick over a candle :)

NeedaSnowday said...

HoCoK!  Isnt it awesome!

Rufus79 said...

LOL!

ho co sub said...

Sure am glad I bought the kids those extra-bright Coleman lanterns for a stocking stuffer! (Yes, they are small, but VERY powerful!).

Rufus79 said...

very true...and fire alarms/co alarms that are hard wired and have battery back up put in fresh batteries

ho co sub said...

Ha ha! Love it!

BioPat said...

Love those Giant points.  I save mine for my daughter's vehicle, an Isuzu Trooper, that she uses for transport to CCBC.  Great vehicle but at only 15 mpg, she is under strict orders to avoid  unnecessary jaunts.  We have agreed to fill her tank (18 gl) 2x per month on us; anything else comes out of her funds.  So, by the time I fill the Trooper, I usually get .40 - .50 per gallon break.  Thank you Giant and Shell!

somestars said...

http://www.its.caltech.edu/~atomic/snowcrystals/

BioPat said...

I have flashlights in every room ready for action.  They are very useful for a variety of needs including emergencies.

NeedaSnowday said...

Julie....  how many more days do you have??

hocoKtchr said...

Now there's another book I need to buy...Secret Life of a Snowflake... what a great idea!  Everytime someone writes one I like...I think, "I could have written that....why didn't I think of that????" :*

Thanks for sharing the link...and thanks....I thought it was time for a new avatar... :)

JULIE said...

this Julie or JULEE?

hocoKtchr said...

from Andy's 10:30 a.m. post...
<span>I would continue to follow the National Weather Service updates very carefully.  I won't be able to post much this week as my scheduel is brutal after tonight.  The forecast team adn the National Weather sevice seem to have a good handle on things and I would check forecasts frequently if you have any travel plans.  </span>

So maybe he can still play later on...he is a night owl poster too...not like me-those kindergarteners come in bright and early...they don't care if I was up late reading/posting about a storm!  No mercy! O:-)

Amy said...

Make sure the batteries have flashlights.  We got the wind up ones for Christmas a couple of years ago that are phenomenal. One even has a radio attached to it.  Granted my arms can only handle so much cranking, but beats the heck out of dead batteries.

canned food- check
water- check
nook charged- check

Amy said...

Umm, or maybe that the flashlights have batteries. =-O

Rufus79 said...

well you could have batteries and not know where the flashlights are :)

NeedaSnowday said...

Should have said - pregnant Julie...

Lori said...

Before I took a nap, it was a rain storm. After my nap, I hear it's going to be an ice storm =-O   I have now developed a fear of naps....if I take another one, I may wake up to a call for 3 feet of snow or something..

Rufus79 said...

or daniel/Julie LOL....

Tina said...

Justin B. posted that he's now having a look at the new models and will opine soon.

::pining for Andy::

Andy, Southern York County PA said...

I will try to chime in tonight.  Temps again continue to trend colder.  
Things we know:

1) There will likely be a little snow 1-3 inches type event
2) There will be freezing rain and drizzle.
3) There will be up to a liquid inch of precip in the area.
4) Up to .75 inches of that could be in the form of FREEZNG RAIN  (SEVERE IF IT HAPPENS)
We are now watching the models and surface level temp profiles to see how much of the moderate to heavy rain will freeze at the surface. 

If you are at 33 degrees you are fine.  At 31 you are in BIG TROUBLE.  That is how close this is.  For some folks further in southern MD it is a non event in terms of ice.  For central MD it could be VERY PROBLEMATIC. You could have a scenario where Pasadena gets ice but goes to rain, while Towson is crushed by heavy ice.  That 1-2 degrees is going to mean everything.  I mean this as an analogy by the way, Pasadena is in the boiling pot with the rest of us, until we get closer to the event and try to sort out a forecast involving temp profiles to almost the EXACT degree, we all need to be prepared for the WORST just in case in stays below freezing and .50 - .75 do actually verify in the form of ice.

Pay attention to Winter Storm Watches or Early Advisories etc from the NWS, by Monday afternoon and evening.  If things hold or trend colder they will issue them for ice.  I know I will be paying attention also, since I will not be able to check weather data becasue I will be INDISPOSED due to work obligations.  I am not happy about it, but I too am at the mercy of this storm and will have to be out in the world during it, and have no option of CALLING IN :(

I am concerned as models tend to over estimate the warmth and under forecast the cold.  They continue to trend in the wrong direction (cold) . 

On a normal day if someone is off 1.5 or 2 degrees on surface temps. no one cares or notices.  WIth this system it MEANS EVERYTHING in terms of ICE or JUST RAIN.  We have to watch the models and data as it comes in.  Tonight the midnight runs are very important, but Monday evening we should hopefully have a better idea if we will be 33 and rain, or 30 and ICE.

Tina said...

Wow-we, that was easy!  :)   Instant-presto Andy!!

Andy, Southern York County PA said...

I wish we could get 3 feet of snow, but not from this track, it will be 90% rain.  Problem is our surface temps are trending colder, and if it's below freezing, that RAIN FREEZES.  Temps aloft will be well above freezing, that part of this forecast is easy, problem is we don't live in the atmosphere, and that cold dense low level air is what makes this an ice storm if the thermal profiles being advertsied by models come to fruition. The warm air rides above us but nwver reaches the surface to save us from ice.  I urge all and I will do the sam, watch forecasts from RELIABLE sources.  This is a good place, Justin Berk is another, and the National Weather Service.   Use a combo of all 3 before you make any decisions about travel etc.     

BioPat said...

I'll be thinking of you Andy.  I know you would want to be with your family when weather situations are difficult.  83 can be tough even in good weather, don't take any chances if the temp begins to hover at that critical point. 

JULIE said...

I am 35 weeks today. Due 3/6 BUT she is already 6.5 lbs and they are watching me close....hmmmm

Lori said...

Oh I know that much snow is not in the equation...just joking on how quickly things changed in a matter of a couple of hours. I agree Andy...get info from reliable sources! I have seen alot of bad info being passed around. I have a few trusted sources but the Foot's team and JB are on the top of my "go to" sources for accurate, honest info. This is a potentially bad turn of events for us with this. Be prepared for major power outages and if you have elderly neighbors around, be sure to check on them to make sure they have everything they need (i.e. flashlights, food, prescriptions, etc). Not everyone is able to get out and about. I guess we'll all stay tuned to the latest developments.

Rufus79 said...

Same here Andy...be thinking about you and the fam.

Jen O said...

WSW for York, PA

<pre>...A WINTER STORM WILL AFFECT THE REGION BEGINNING MONDAY
NIGHT...AND LAST INTO WEDNESDAY...

...WINTER STORM WATCH IN EFFECT FROM LATE MONDAY NIGHT THROUGH
WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN STATE COLLEGE HAS ISSUED A WINTER
STORM WATCH...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM LATE MONDAY NIGHT THROUGH
WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON.

* LOCATION...CENTRAL PENNSYLVANIA.

* PRECIPITATION TYPE...A WINTRY MIX...STARTING OUT AS
SNOW...CHANGING TO SLEET AND FREEZING RAIN TUESDAY.

* ACCUMULATIONS...SEVERAL INCHES OF SNOW POSSIBLE BEFORE MIXING
WITH OR CHANGING TO SLEET AND FREEZING RAIN.

* TIMING...BEGINNING MONDAY NIGHT...LASTING INTO WEDNESDAY.

* IMPACTS...COULD SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT TRAVEL DUE TO SNOW AND ICE
COVERED ROADS. POWER OUTAGES ALSO POSSIBLE DUE TO ACCRETIONS OF
FREEZING RAIN ON TREE LIMBS WHICH COULD KNOCK DOWN POWER LINES.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WINTER STORM WATCH MEANS THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR SIGNIFICANT
SNOW...SLEET...OR ICE ACCUMULATIONS THAT MAY IMPACT TRAVEL. STAY
TUNED TO NOAA WEATHER RADIO OR YOUR FAVORITE SOURCE OF WEATHER
INFORMATION FOR THE LATEST UPDATES. ADDITIONAL DETAILS CAN ALSO
BE FOUND AT...WEATHER.GOV/STATECOLLEGE.

</pre>

Rachel said...

I post this and aa few minutes later they post a watch...Ironic.   :)

BioPat said...

OK, we have a little more concrete info for central PA, now how far south will this watch be extended.

Andy, Southern York County PA said...

I think it is only a matter of time for the watch to be extended south.  Our thermal proilfes here are frigid.  Yours are a little wamer but cold.  I think the NWS is understanding the severity of the situation and warning people.  I expect a watch in Baltimore Metro tonight, or before noon.  All the offices are digesting the grim trends in therm of temps tonight.   

BioPat said...

Thanks Andy!  Hopefully, the media will take a serious look at this situation and warn people to be prepared for the storm.

Tina said...

Even though I lived in Ellicott City for 11 years, I'm now in Gaithersburg and have to remember to try to factor in, with the temps being sooooo on the line this time, I might just miss out on a lot of the ice because I'm a bit further south.  Snow?  Ha, I'm right there in York, Hunt Valley, Columbia wishin' and wishin'!! :)  

somestars said...

After we bought the AWS Weather Station for my school, I was invited, along with other "station owners" to visit Tom Tasselmyer at WBAL.  He said that one of the things that amazed everyone who received data from the stations was the wide degree of temperature variation. He was used to saying "in Dundalk the temperature is 35" but after the weather stations came online, he realized that Dundalk could have ten different temperatures all at once. He and the other BAL mets really were amazed. 

The difference between which area gets rain or freezing rain can be such a fine line and that's something that makes driving scary in a storm like this.  Start out for the store in the rain and four blocks away, the streets are ice.  It's unfortunate that anyone will have to be out in the conditions presented by this upcoming behemoth.  Have you SEEN the size of this storm on that NWS map?  Great HONK!

Rufus79 said...

I think by tonight also Andy...Sterling is often a little later

Jen O said...

Well since it seems the ice will start overnight Monday? Correct? I can make a good decision on calling out Tuesday if need be. I'd rather not be at work then it starts. Because I will have NO choice but to drive in it from Baltimore to York...my son is in York during school....sooooo..he can't stay alone

Kyle G said...

Between the events in Egypt, the volcano in Japan and a potentially crippling week of weather for the US, my head is overloaded!

I hope they issue those watches and advisories soon.

JULIE said...

I want Snow or Rain you can keep the freaking ice I am starting to feel claustrophobic already.

NeedaSnowday said...

Not to mention that the AFC is getting their butts kicked by the NFC...  who'da thunk it?

ravensbbr said...

Interesting scenario(s). Lot of comm. sites are now calling for some kind of frozen precip starting Monday now as well...

NeedaSnowday said...

35 - zip with 7 minutes left in 1st half!!!

gah!

JULIE said...

if we got an ice storm how quick do we warm up for it to melt? I don't want to be trapped....starting to hyperventilate LOL :*

hocoKtchr said...

at least we are on the board now!  no longer zip...not looking promising though! *DONT_KNOW*

Rufus79 said...

I heard....Jacob keeps yelling updates to me :)

somestars said...

Julie, you're making me nervous!  How close ARE you to the hospital?

NeedaSnowday said...

GAME ON!  LOL....  A TD and now a turnover right near the goal line..

NAM out too....

Mary in Hydes said...

Be careful out there Andy.  I know you will take every precaution.

Mary in Hydes said...

oops.  didn't see that.  must have been scanning so fast

Rufus79 said...

Cecil county is under a winter storm watch

Rufus79 said...

What happens with the precip in the Gulf region? The big storm for the MW is the area of precip  coming out of Montana?

JULIE said...

18 min. With a firehouse withing spitting distance. I just don't like feeling trapped. I don't even like elevators ;D

Anonymous said...

Have LOVED reading the discussion. Keep up the good work!

JULIE said...

JB FBOOK :


the way I see it... just to elaborate a little more (picture free tonight)
My main concern for all is what I saw driving around today. Snow still stuck on many trees. Any additional snow and ice will have something to collect on.  This will add to breaking branches, downed trees... and power outages on Tuesday.  Talk to the folks near and south of Annapolis.
The Basics: The models have trended west and warmer, but I expect that to shift a little east tonight and tomorrow to reflect the way things looked on Friday.  That means snow to ice to rain. The timing is a little faster, which means that the bulk of the storm will arrive with rain, followed by the arctic blast. Trouble times- Tuesday morning. Many of us will have snow, sleet, or freezing rain.  Do your homework, but hope for the best.  If you are traveling, plan for delays. Tuesday will see a transition to rain in central MD, but ice could linger near and north of Baltimore into the night.  By Wednesday, we should all be in for rain.

Kyle G said...

The latest NAM has a VERY serious ice storm just north of Baltimore.  HOWEVER, the model is probably not taking the snow cover and CAD information in very well.  If you combine that fact with what HM posted (below) you could get a very damaging ice storm for central MD.


<span>Henry Margusity Fan Club </span><span>The issue for the folks north of DC is the first wave that goes by Tuesday. If that is a little stronger, it will push the cold air all the way south of DC prior the heavy precip coming Wednesday AM. What that means is serious icing between southern New York and northern Virginia, including all the major cities.</span>

ravensbbr said...

Can't tell me the Pro Bowl isn't rigged, a 42-0 deficit and now a miraculous comeback in the making? It's not football, no one's even tackling. *DONT_KNOW*

JULIE said...

THIS MADE ME LAUGH:

http://www.facebook.com/MeteoMadness#!/photo.php?fbid=495079776917&set=o.135790633101321&theater

ravensbbr said...

I hate to further stir the pot...but it looks like we're going to get clobbered again on Saturday?!? What is this, winter? :-P

JULIE said...

it's February and my due date is approaching...it will get worse :-P

Brian Hood said...

If you look at all the info on HM's page, the models are actually trending more to the east and colder.  That is why everyone(including Andy) is now more concerned than they were about longer/more icing for central MD.  I believe that is why Andy said to look for winter storm watches for central MD by the morning.

ravensbbr said...

Figures, right? Good luck. :)

Also, anyone else seeing the models computing this from the low being futher west and a half day later? Looking at the radar now, it looks like it's coming up now over MS, AL, etc., instead of LA, TX Monday like the GFS and NAM have it coming from...

JULIE said...

as long as it's SNOW!

JULIE said...

Heading to bed hoping I wake up tomorrow and everyone is talking about 12" of snow. Girl can wish right? I mean Andy was telling us to buy a raincoat, now we need iceskates.

ravensbbr said...

If I understand Foot, Andy, etc. correctly, then a more easterly track would theoretically put central MD, etc. on the westerly, snowy side. Before I get hammered for saying the "S" word by the pros here, it's just a hypothetical, just comparing the forecast model data with the perceived nowcast data as I see it.

JULIE said...

so snow vs ice? or snow then ice? would love some more snow!

ravensbbr said...

Comparing this: http://coolwx.com/ptype/

with this:

http://www.intellicast.com/Local/WxMapFull.aspx

ravensbbr said...

yeah, snow for me too, but no projections or ptype on my watch, just saying the apparent discrepancy looks interesting...

JULIE said...

FF FBOOK (whew):

10:20 PM Sunday 1/30/2011: As we begin a new week, another dangerous winter storm will impact the Mid Atlantic region Monday night through Wednesday. The first batch of precipitation will push northward into the region late Monday into Tuesday in the form of light snow and sleet. Light accumulations are expected for most areas. As temperatures continue to warm several thousand feet above the ground, precipitation will change to light freezing rain for much of the Mid Atlantic from northern Virginia to the Baltimore metro area. High temperatures for areas further south across Central Virginia, Southern Maryland, and the lower Eastern Shore are expected to reach the mid 30s Tuesday, allowing any freezing rain early in the day to become all rain. Depending on the extent of cold air locked at the surface, areas near the Mason Dixon line into northern Delaware may experience an extended period of freezing rain into Tuesday night, with all rain for areas to the south. Strong southerly winds around 5,000 feet above the ground will allow temperatures at the surface to rise above freezing for nearly all areas Wednesday morning. This will enable a chilly rain to fall for much of the day, with high temperatures in the mid to upper 30s for northern areas with upper 40s to low 50s from Central Virginia to Southern Maryland to the lower Eastern Shore. Details for Pennsylvania will be added later this evening.

Rufus79 said...

some one said the OZ Nam was warmer than the 18Z?

Andy, Southern York County PA said...

Covers Cecil County MD

Winter Storm Watch
<pre>URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MOUNT HOLLY NJ
835 PM EST SUN JAN 30 2011

...A LARGE WINTER STORM IS FORECAST TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY FOR PORTIONS
OF THE NORTHEAST USA...

.SNOW TUESDAY MORNING WILL TURN TO RAIN...SLEET AND FREEZING DRIZZLE
SOMETIME TUESDAY AFTERNOON AND THEN RESUME AS HEAVY RAIN OR FREEZING
RAIN EARLY WEDNESDAY BEFORE TAPERING OFF LATE WEDNESDAY.

DEZ001-MDZ008-NJZ013-014-016>020-026-027-PAZ067-070-071-310945-
/O.NEW.KPHI.WS.A.0004.110201T0400Z-110202T1600Z/
NEW CASTLE-CECIL-WESTERN MONMOUTH-EASTERN MONMOUTH-SALEM-
GLOUCESTER-CAMDEN-NORTHWESTERN BURLINGTON-OCEAN-COASTAL OCEAN-
SOUTHEASTERN BURLINGTON-CHESTER-DELAWARE-PHILADELPHIA-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...WILMINGTON...ELKTON...FREEHOLD...
SANDY HOOK...PENNSVILLE...GLASSBORO...CAMDEN...CHERRY HILL...
MOORESTOWN...MOUNT HOLLY...JACKSON...LONG BEACH ISLAND...
WHARTON STATE FOREST...WEST CHESTER...MEDIA...PHILADELPHIA
835 PM EST SUN JAN 30 2011

...WINTER STORM WATCH IN EFFECT FROM MONDAY EVENING THROUGH
WEDNESDAY MORNING...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN MOUNT HOLLY HAS ISSUED A WINTER
STORM WATCH...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM MONDAY EVENING THROUGH
WEDNESDAY MORNING.

* GEOGRAPHICAL COVERAGE: EXTREME NORTHEAST MARYLAND...SOUTHEAST
PENNSYLVANIA PORTIONS OF SOUTHERN AND EAST COASTAL NEW JERSEY.


* PRECIPITATION TYPE: SNOW TUESDAY MORNING CHANGES TO SLEET...RAIN
OR FREEZING DRIZZLE TUESDAY AFTERNOON THEN TO PERIODS OF HEAVY
RAIN OR FREEZING RAIN EARLY WEDNESDAY.

* ACCUMULATIONS: 1 TO 4 INCHES OF SNOW AND SLEET... THEN POSSIBLY
A QUARTER TO ONE HALF INCH OF GLAZE LATE TUESDAY NIGHT AND
EARLY WEDNESDAY.

* TIMING: SNOW BEGINS BETWEEN 9 PM MONDAY AND 2 AM TUESDAY. MIXED
WINTRY ELEMENTS DEVELOP BETWEEN 10 AM AND 4 PM TUESDAY.

* IMPACTS: THE TUESDAY MORNING COMMUTE IS LIKELY TO BE HAZARDOUS.
ALL UNTREATED PAVEMENTS SHOULD BE SNOW COVERED WITH TEMPERATURES
IN THE 20S. THE WEDNESDAY MORNING COMMUTE SHOULD BE ADVERSELY
IMPACTED WITH EITHER PERIODS OF HEAVY RAIN OR HEAVY FREEZING
RAIN.

* CONFIDENCE; ABOVE AVERAGE FOR SNOW EARLY TUESDAY THOUGH
CONFIDENCE ON AMOUNTS REACHING 3 OR 4 INCHES IS BELOW AVERAGE.
CONFIDENCE ON SOME GLAZING LATE TUESDAY INTO EARLY WEDNESDAY IS
ABOVE AVERAGE.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WINTER STORM WATCH MEANS THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR SIGNIFICANT
SNOW...SLEET...OR ICE ACCUMULATIONS THAT MAY IMPACT TRAVEL.
CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE LATEST FORECASTS.</pre>

Rufus79 said...

saw that...believe the rest of us come out of sterling.

BioPat said...

Now, we just need to see how close to Baltimore we will see the frozen precip. 

Andy, Southern York County PA said...

I think the Sterling office is waitng until the 0z runs tonight to decide and see where trends are going.  They will be interesting.  My last post until maybe late Monday evening.  Will be an interesting few days.  Maybe we can pray for some quick warming at gorund level and advert major ice.  Time will tell.  

JULIE said...

thanks for keeping us updated! Post if you can tomorrow please cause once again having to decide on a Tues morning commute in Balto with little ones.

BioPat said...

Good night all!  School tomorrow - finally we'll be able to finish that lab and hopefully a test on Thursday.  As Andy said, "time will tell".

Rufus79 said...

They are @ Midnight? Yup here too BP to bed with us.... Andy be safe and look forward to hearing from you when you can post.

Jacob sometimes wake me for something

Andy, Southern York County PA said...

Statement as of 4:07 AM EST on January 31, 2011

... Winter Storm Watch in effect from late tonight through
Wednesday morning...

The National Weather Service in Baltimore MD/Washington has
issued a Winter Storm Watch... which is in effect from late
tonight through Wednesday morning.

* Precipitation type... freezing rain. Snow and sleet may occur at
the onset.

* Accumulations... one quarter inch or more of ice accumulation
possible.

* Timing... a mix of snow and sleet developing tonight is expected
to change to freezing rain Tuesday morning. Freezing rain is
expected to then continue through early Wednesday morning before
changing to rain.

* Temperatures... lows in the lower to mid 20s tonight. Highs in
the lower 30s Tuesday and remaining in the lower 30s Tuesday
night and Wednesday morning.

* Winds... northeast 5 to 10 mph late tonight through Tuesday
night... increasing to 10 to 15 mph Wednesday morning.

Precautionary/preparedness actions...

A Winter Storm Watch means there is a potential for significant
snow... sleet... or ice accumulations that may impact travel.
Continue to monitor the latest forecasts.

Paul said...

Sounds serious...trends most be leaning towards a more serious event.....any chnace in the storm moving further east giving upo more like sleet and snow and less of that rain

Rufus79 said...

I saw that too too Andy 1/4" OR MORE.....don't like. The precip on the radar looks to moving more east than ne...but I guess that is gonna become the secondary low?

Have a great Monday all see ya this afternoon

Rufus79 said...

my weather bug says 26...my KWT is saying 21 this am? WB is @ UMBC high atop a building hmmm. My kitche window is just high atop the driveway :)

BioPat said...

24 at my house this morning at 6:45; JB said we have already reached the high temp for the day.

BioPat said...

Thanks Andy for posting with the busy schedule you have.  I read JB this morning early and the outlook, as you have noted, is not promising, until we can get above freezing sometime tomorrow.  Initially I was thinking 2 hours late for tomorrow, but the more I am reading the less I feel this may be possible.  Time to prepare is now. 

Be safe my FF friend!

Amy said...

Things are looking more and more dangerous tomorrow.  I can't imagine what it will look like in the morning commute if there is not ample warning from our major newscasts.

Matt_74 said...

That's what I'm starting to wonder.  Looks like that Low keeps tracking further east.  I seem to remember Andy saying something to the effect that if it goes more west, we get rain.  If it splits the lakes we get more of a mix.  However, it looks like it is going east of the lakes.  Does that mean we could end up getting more snow? Someone, please clarify.  Thanks!

BioPat said...

Continue to watch the trends.  Even though the low is moving somewhat east, it' primary energy will still stay west of the Apps, thus keeping our temps colder and giving us a longer period of icing before it allows the warmer air to move in from the Gulf.

Amber WB said...

I"ve been at school all day and haven't been able to keep up---is this mainly looking problematic for just the Northern counties, or is Anne Arundel included? Power went out last time, so I want to head over the the in-laws pre-emptively this time if necessary! :)

Paul ( Owings Mills) said...

Just noticed the watch now encludes Howard and Montgomery Counties ....

Paul ( Owings Mills) said...

<pre>URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON DC
1214 PM EST MON JAN 31 2011

MDZ009-010-VAZ027-028-030-031-042-WVZ055-501-502-010030-
/O.EXB.KLWX.WS.A.0003.110202T0200Z-110202T1600Z/
MONTGOMERY-HOWARD</pre>

Paul ( Owings Mills) said...

<pre>.WINTER STORM WATCH IN EFFECT FROM TUESDAY EVENING THROUGH
WEDNESDAY MORNING...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON HAS
ISSUED A WINTER STORM WATCH...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM TUESDAY
EVENING THROUGH WEDNESDAY MORNING.

* PRECIPITATION TYPE...FREEZING RAIN.

* ACCUMULATIONS...UP TO ONE QUARTER INCH OF ICE ACCUMULATION
POSSIBLE.

* TIMING...FREEZING RAIN IS EXPECTED TO DEVELOP LATE TUESDAY
EVENING AND CONTINUE INTO WEDNESDAY MORNING BEFORE CHANGING TO
RAIN.

* TEMPERATURES...LOWER 30S TUESDAY NIGHT AND WEDNESDAY MORNING.

* WINDS...NORTHEAST 5 TO 10 MPH TUESDAY NIGHT...INCREASING TO 10
TO 15 MPH WEDNESDAY MORNING.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WINTER STORM WATCH MEANS THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR SIGNIFICANT ICE
ACCUMULATIONS THAT MAY IMPACT TRAVEL. CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE
LATEST FORECASTS.

</pre>

Amy said...

Very confused about start of event. I thought it was Monday night (NWS watch from this morning) and now it's been put off 24 hours?

Andy, Southern York County PA said...

I have a quick  minute will post this here, now back out to the grind!

NWS BALT WASH:

"So sorry - in the mental commmotion of trying to decide what to do
west/ tonight and Tuesday night events plus briefings dscn fell through the cracks.


We have updated the winter storm wtch to include counties from Howard Maryland
to Grant WV. That will be in effect for Tuesday night. Earlier issued
watch for the PA border counties remains in effect. We think there will
be freezing rain tonight..but not enough to warrant a warning. Plan will likely be to
issue an advisory for tonight and continue west/ the wtch for Tuesday night. As Tuesday
night precipitation amts will be greater there is a chance that warnings may need to be
issued for tmrw night - probably as the 1st event is winding down. We
think it would be less confusing to issue these as 2 separate
products as opposed to 1 lengthy warning. "

Nick said...

But the Winter Storm Advisory for tonight only mentions a trace of ice... so I don't know if that would be enough to close schools Tuesday morning?

Nick said...

Wait, never mind... I thought I read "trace" somewhere, but the Advisory actually says up to .1 for tonight into tomorrow morning.

Tina said...

A bit of humor:

http://gawker.com/5746722/accuweathercom-has-the-worlds-most-terrifying-weather-maps

Stay safe everyone!

Paul ( Owings MIlls ) said...

Now the adivsories are for tonight and the Watch is now in effect from Tuesday afternoon to Wednesday Morning...I just read the NWS update and It sounds to me that they still are somewhat uncertain to exaclty whats going to happen...They say some snow and sleet tonight and then more of a major ice /freezing Rain tommrow night...It looks like southern Pa is going to see more snow tonight and then the heavy ice.... I'm in northwestern Baltimore County and I know we get hit harder out this way sometimes....I just wonder looking at the radar..when is this really going to unfold.....Should I really prepare for a major ice event....  ANDY!!!!!!! we are all waiting for your input....

Kyle G said...

This is slightly scary:

http://vortex.accuweather.com/adc2004/pub/includes/columns/community/2011/wrf131anim.gif

Paul, I'd say you should prepare for a terrible ice storm.  Evidence points to at least .25in of ice for northern MD and southern PA.

As it stands now, we are all a bit colder than the models predicted which means they weren't taking the snow pack and true extent of the invading arctic air truely accurately. 

The fact is that the rain/zr/snow line will be like a horizontal snake, slithering across central MD.  This is such a precise forecast that models simply can't grasp it becuase the resolution is too fine.  This will be a county-by-county, town-by-town, neighborhood-by-neighborhood affair.

Make sure you have all the essentials.  Although, it does seem all rain will eventually creep in, thus limiting the duration of any ice storm.

Blah...

Jen O said...

Need to laugh? Check this out

<span>http://www.wimp.com/janitorrevenge/</span>

Janitor has revenge using snow

Brian Hood said...

Gotta love the local mets.  Still downplaying.  Just watched Turk on WJZ.  He doesn't even mention the winter weather advisory or the winter storm watch, he says the frozen precip will be light IF we get any, and he says Wed will be all rain.  Now Bob, last time I checked they don't issue advisories and watches/warnings for rain.  And, even funnier, he said Chicago might have a blizzard.  How much does this guy make?

Lori said...

Whatever he makes, he's overpaid even if he were doing it for free. I don't even watch WJZ at all because of those bozos

Mary in Hydes said...

I have read the posts on facebook.  I just want to get and idea of duration tomorrow.  It says snow, sleet, freezing rain tonight.  I am in Northern Balto. co.  Definately colder here.  Will frozen precip hang on longer?  Will there be travel issues in the morning?  I have to tell you...I have people making fun of me when I tell them they should be well prepared for this storm.  They keep telling me they listened to the news and it doesn't sound bad.   I just tell them they have to trust me. 

Mary in Hydes said...

Interesting link.  very scary.

NeedaSnowday said...

BGE's hotline is 877-778-2222. It is suggested you put that number somewhere were it will be handy for you to find when the power goes out...√

Kyle G said...

FF's page:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150101280668857&set=a.411176518856.175596.237382493856&ref=nf

somestars said...

The high was a toasty 27 in Monkton (10 minutes S of Mason-Dixon Line) when I left at 3:30 p.m. 
Twenty-seven degrees -- that's freezing rain territory, isn't it?

Snow at school had a nice icy crunch to it this a.m. when I fed those ravenous birds.  They cleaned off the feeder today so I went back out with more seed and another suet block before I left.  Hmmmmmmmm ...
anyone else have ravenous birds?

Kyle G said...

Annapolis City Gov't already called for a 2-hr delayed opening tomorrow morning...

My hometown of Indianapolis is going to get absolutely crushed with ice!  Latest QPF have up to 2 inches of ice for them!!  With that in mind, .25in of ice here doesn't sound so bad... (although...it is) =-O

Rufus79 said...

It's 28 here now...according to WB I need to check the KWT.. It's doesn't sound like the frz rain will transition as fast as noted earlier....hope I'm wrong. The County Exec has been postponing things on tomorrowa schedule all day so at least he's paying attention :)

Well i have to give jacob a foot soaking check in later

Jan Martin said...

Teeny, tiny flakes in Middletown right now. And it's cold!

hocoKtchr said...

DC news was interesting tonight! 

*Federal Government has already said that folks can take unscheduled leave or telecommute in the hopes that they can avoid some of the issues from last week. (smart!)
*Some stations saying this will not be a big deal for us (viewing audience) at all...we might get some sleet/freezing rain...but others are saying that this will be a HUGE problem in the morning and into Wed. morning!  Geesh! 

I think it sounds horrible!   >:o     Stay off the roads folks, if at all possible!  Be safe!

BioPat said...

 BBen checking multiple sites for the latest info on the storm's impact for us.  As we all discussed the cold is in place and temps are not going to go up above freezing until wed morning sometime.  In the interim, we're going to see some snow this evening, switching to freezing rain and sleet through Tuesday morning.  I expect schools to either do the 2 hour late , or close depending on how much we get. For awhile Tueday things will subside then we get clocked with the ice.  Doesn't this sound familiar so far as pattern?

Kyle G said...

Thanks for the info.

I don't understand why they don't just error on the side of caution.

hocoKtchr said...

Sadly it does sound familiar! 

I am afraid that they will send us in 2 hours late, and the temps will not rise that much, so we still are driving on ice...or temps drops before we can get out again!  Either way...ick ick ick   >:o scary!

JULIE said...

JB FBOOK:

If you had read earlier today, I was watching the temperature at BWI, which proved to stay colder by just a few degrees. This just means the arctic air has pushed a little deeper and farther south. That means the ice will hold longer. The good news is that might mean more snow and sleet before the turn over to freezing rain. Not much variation on my forecast from this morning... which is a general 1 inch possible of snow/sleet. This might be a little more north. There is not a lot of moisture tonight, but enough to make Tuesday morning icy. This includes Annapolis, Maryland, Baltimore (Baltimore Maryland-Opportunity)
I am working on my analysis for extensive icing locations into Wednesday morning.. but also trying to figure out if I need to drive in this evening and stay overnight near the station. I will drive in almost anything, but overnight in freezing rain.
Either way, if you want, I will post my best call for the ice storm before 8pm.
Note: This will be nuisance for Anne Arundel, but could be a major storm for northern MD. Carroll and Frederick- look out for potential 0.5" to 1.00" of ice by Wednesday morning. Add a caption Winter Weather Advisory for most of us in MD, Winter Storm Warning for southern PA. If you had read earlier today, I was watching the temperature at BWI, which proved to stay colder by just a few degrees. This just means the arctic air has pushed a little deeper and farther south. That means the ice will hold longer. The good news is that might mean more snow and sleet before the turn over to freezing rain. Not much variation on my forecast from this morning... which is a general 1 inch possible of snow/sleet. This might be a little more north. There is not a lot of moisture tonight, but enough to make Tuesday morning icy. This includes Annapolis, Maryland, Baltimore (Baltimore Maryland-Opportunity) I am working on my analysis for extensive icing locations into Wednesday morning.. but also trying to figure out if I need to drive in this evening and stay overnight near the station. I will drive in almost anything, but overnight in freezing rain. Either way, if you want, I will post my best call for the ice storm before 8pm. Note: This will be nuisance for Anne Arundel, but could be a major storm for northern MD. Carroll and Frederick- look out for potential 0.5" to 1.00" of ice by Wednesday morning.

JULIE said...

A nuisance for AACO? Ok so know I am one of THOSE: what's it gonna be like in my backyard?

Rufus79 said...

I'm thinking if precip has started even with the lull we may close....but be nice if they'd already drop the 2hr late ball jsut we know...lol what am i saying?

Rufus79 said...

it is scary because they never get us to the change over goes up to 48 hours correct?

Rufus79 said...

I want to know what it's gonna be like @ 39.26 * N 76.73* W and I wanna know right now :-P

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